PART 4: $%@# THIS
Wonder Woman versus…Booster Gold?! Diana finds out the hard way that Booster can be a formidable opponent when his back’s against the wall. Of course, being the prime suspect in a superhero massacre and exposing a secret trauma hospital for metahumans will do just that. Meanwhile, Batman and the Flash combine their detective skills to investigate what went awry at Sanctuary and uncover a serious glitch in the system—not to mention an explosive, spoiler-ific secret!
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Dinah Lance
Ted Kord
Michael Jon Carter
Oliver Queen
Harleen Quinzel
Lois Lane
Donna Troy
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Yeah those colors just don't work well together...
Good thing there's a variant. But I have seen much worse.
yeah i seen MUCH worse as well.
Haha even the variant is a turn off... Aquaman's severed hand... haha why not?
should have let clay mann do all the covers, i feel like his art has been the best thing about this series
Green Lantern #1 was way worse.
Really? Nothing really that bad here to me.
Unfortunately this issue falls short in comparison to other releases this week. Detective and Immortal Hulk being much stronger issues so far! Still looking forward to uncovering some information in the coming issues.
Wow this has a low rating. I give it 4 stars just for the full page with batgirls and Harley’s hands coming together. That page works beautifully. Not sure of batgirls place in the story, but I’m sure it will make sense later.
I don't understand the hate this is getting. This is honestly one of the most quality books I have ever read.
I am intrigued about Batgirl's role too. She is thoughtful and gets to the bottom of things. She is a perfect addition to this story-line that needs someone who is more like a gum-shoe and less a CSI.
You got it. Hope it ends as good as it starts.
I am enjoying it. I am only 2 issues in needing to catch up. But yeah, this has been fantastic IMHO.
I'm not sure how crucified I'll get for this but I think it's worth saying: after this issue and the controversy over the cover to issue 7 with Poison Ivy, I think Tom King (and Clay Mann) has a real problem with depicting women. Juxtaposing bizarrely sexualized female figures with what was supposed to be an analysis of superhero mental health filled with shock value is just disturbing to me.
You aren't the only one to make this comment. I flicked through it in the shop and all I saw were women's asses and underwear.
I consulted with my 17-year-old daughter for this. We think Mann makes costumes like they are painted on and doesn't draw clothing right. Combined with the looking up Wonder Woman's skirt while she punches the penny and Barbara Gordon's costume being way too tight during her vulnerable scene, it is too much.
I think comics will always struggle with this, no matter who the artist. Can’t draw ugly or sexy women without a backlash. Even the fully clothed characters are silhouettes.
I read the issue during my kids karate class and felt conscientious about the Lois page with kids and parents running around. But hey, it’s an adult book honestly. Just wish adult meant responsible instead of whatever sells.
@Foozman superheroes are meant to LOOK LIKE THAT the most popular superheroe in the world and the father of the genre is superman a MAN IN TIGHTS, how it looks depends on the artist, hell even the incredibles suits look like pijamas. Also isn't the book meant for mature readers?
@Taren Do you have any real objection to this? I just find it odd that every female character in this series so far but Wonder Woman has been bizarrely sexualized.
@LemonadeMan The cover of issue 7 has Poison Ivy laying on the ground with her butt raised in the air and clearly defined. With slashed wrists and blood all over. It just feels disturbingly compromising to put her in that position when she's dead.
yes it does, this books has been sold in a weird way but that's another rabbit hole, the concept of sexualized art or a fictional character can be subjective (and if it were there is no correlation between that and an impact on reality), more in the superheroe genre where everybody wears thights and is meant to represent gods in the pinacle of perfection, "beautiful woman in a trauma and murder mystery" that's basically a whole genre, like most of the detective stuff.
I have yet to even look at the art. But it's subjective. I just think we are all so reactionary these days. All superhero costumes are pretty much sexualized. I will hold off judgements until I read the book.
I completely agree with you @masterofcomicsfu and I am glad more and more people are starting to realize whats going on here. It truly is awful. One of the absolute worst events of all comic book history.
I said pretty much... Which means not all.
just read it and I again feel like I'm taking the middle here but yes there were a couple of pannels that were drawn in a more suggestive manner than the story needed but not to the point of outrage. Yes the ass clevage was unnecessary and all the costumes are too tight even the mens. The one scene that felt like it was done the way it was for sexual purposes was the Clark/Lois scene. Anyone who is married knows that yes deep conversations happen in the bed room but the most meaningful ones always happen in the kitchen over coffee with clothes on. The other scene that seemed off to me from a story asspect was Harley and Girl Bat. Do they have a deeper history than I am aware of I think they bonded in Birds of Prey but the way this was written made them seem like best friends and made it seem like Batgirl didn't think Harley capable of doing anything bad. It just seemed off to me.
Also want to add that another book I picked up this week Unnatural #6 is way more sexualized and scandalous but the fact that it isn't a "main stream" event book taking characters we have a ton of history with and depicting them in a very different way and the fact that the characters in Unnatural aren't human gets us past the outrage. In a non arguementative way I wonder if those who thought Heroes in Crisis to be disgusting if you think the same of Unnatural? I promise I'm not picking on anyone I am really just curious if I'm not seeing something everyone else is. And don't worry I won't allow my daughter to read Unnatural but also wouldn't allow her to read Heroes in Crisis (subject matter not art is the issue)
@gregroyj42 well Unnatural is an european series by an european author, they have different approach to sexuality than people from the USA, the closest to what are you saying is probably Saga.
That might be a slightly better comparison but I still wonder where all the outrage is. Is it only because it's a Dc book or because it's using beloved characters or what? I waited Saga out for tge first two trades because of some of these issues but by in large it made the story stronger and the images in HIC are no where near as graphic as other books.
I am scratching my head. I don't quite understand the outrage.
Seriously this whole thread is ridiculous. It's a comic book. Are we seriously going to drag this into the whole man-bashing #metoo movement crap. I mean seriously does anyone call Playboy up and tell them that their magazines are overly sexualized? Is anyone complaining about the porn industry?
It's a comic book. Comics have been this way for as long as I can think of it. Just go back and read All Star Batman and Robin by Frank Miller if you really want to see overly sexualized characters. I mean honestly I love Mann's art and Harley, Batgirl and Lois looked beautiful on their pages. Is that a reason to start a ruckus? Even the Poison Ivy cover I really don't understand.
If you're going to throw a stink about this just remember what you are reading. It's an ADULT comic book. Comics have always been like this and if you aren't OK with that then maybe read a novel or something. I can't even fathom that people are going to say King and Mann have a "problem depicting women." Seriously... get over yourself and get off your soap box.
@Joelkornek Comparing comic books to Playboy is.... definitely a take. And thinking that #MeToo is anything remotely similar to "man-bashing" is just about the most ignorant thing I've read today. And it has absolutely no ties to what I'm talking about. I get that you may not be able to draw the connection yourself, I'm just discussing my own uncomfortable feelings about how sexualized the women are in this comic book about mental health and trauma. The vast majority of current comics are *not * like this *because* they don't praise themselves for being seminal analyses on mental health. Not doubting that Mann's art is gorgeous. Just bringing up a point that the painted-on costumes and pin-ups are a bit weird when juxtaposed with suicidal thoughts and PTSD.
HAHA! “Ant-fucking” LOVE it!
I saw the Batgirl pages over the weekend, but just those pages, so I don't have enough context to make a judgement. But... There is a world of difference in penciling a character who looks like they are wearing tights or pajama style costume and drawing a character who is nude and the colorist just adds a costume to the body (think every Zenescope, Avatar, Boundless cover where they do those progressively more naked variants). I honestly thought the art in the Batgirl pages leaned heavily to the latter.
Okay I have D O M, but I've also got three daughters and two granddaughters and they all read comics. Key word READ.
D. O. M. ?
Loving this series. Looking forward to seeing how the pieces all come together.
I think you will like it.
I've been enjoying this overall. I feel it gets better as it progresses. The art is great as always too. But damn, there were quite a few things that bothered me with this. Quite a few questionable choices. I still want to see how the entire thing plays out before I judge it though.
@Wheezy1892
Will you keep reading something you obviously hate?
I would rather be happy about the stories I read. I get the feeling you just love to talk trash... Just to get a reaction. Weird stuff dude.
Example above. ^^
Double standard? I don't go around trashing. I know how to critique without coming off as someone who is purposely trashing other people's taste.
You do not have that ability.
God you always miss the point fantastically. And I ask you to look though my post and respond to others who I don't agree with. It's civil and respectful. But you do not know or choose not to have respect for others. There are others on this site who are enjoying this. Now you are just being lazy with your bullying.
@Wheezy1892 I am so glad someone here thinks the same way I do. I knew from the beginning this series was going to be absolutely awful and I was 100% right. I was also right in knowing people would come out in troves to support this but would be unable or unwilling to explain why. Which can only mean that they themselves don't know. And before anyone even asks no I am not reading this series. I am not giving this any of my money or support in any way. But I still know what goes on through news sites. This is definitely a contender for WORST DC event of all time.
Dude... No matter how I reply to will simply believe what you want. The truth is you have zero respect for others. Separate who I am and what I like.... What the hell are you even talking about. You just hate that I call you out on your shit. Get over yourself.
Now I'm going to break the dinosaur. I liked this issue.